2026-02-26
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I am here with Gary Kasparov.
Gary, thanks for joining me again.
Thank you for inviting me.
It's great to see you.
So I think it's been something like five years, four or five years, six years maybe since we've spoken.
A lot has happened, but still we were speaking under the shadow of Trump and Trumpism.
I think each of the times we spoke.
I think our first conversation was in 2016, and then maybe like 2022, I think that's it.
So been about four years.
Well, first, just to introduce you properly, many people will know you as one of the greatest
chess masters of all time and world champion for many years,
and maybe we'll return to the topic of chess at some point.
But now you're currently the chairman of the Renew Democracy Initiative,