He should have been removed from office immediately when he threatened nuclear war,
threatening the offensive use of nuclear weapons, which is to say threatening the destruction of humanity.
I said to Trump, you know, four days before the war started,
if you do this, you know, the United States will be kicked out of the Gulf.
Your legacy will be destroyed along with your party.
I said this to Trump to his face in the Oval Office.
And he looked at me and said, yes, you're right.
But in the end, we all die anyway.
So it doesn't matter.
That's exactly what he said.
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