Our Military Is Built for the Wrong Century

我们的军事是为错误的时代而建。

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-05-28

59 分钟
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The future of high-tech warfare has arrived. Just look to the conflicts in Ukraine and Iran to see how much drones and robots have remade the modern battlefield. Is the U.S. positioned to win wars in this new era? What are the ethical constraints of waging autonomous warfare? My guest this week is Christian Brose, the president and chief strategy officer of Anduril, a defense technology company building a slate of autonomous weapons and defense systems for the American military. 00:00 - Intro 03:18 - Drones on the Russia - Ukraine battlefield 8:17 - Iran's stalemate and American military readiness 17:11 - Anduril is more than a "Lord of the Rings" reference 25:33 - Force fields and a layered defense 31:12 - The challenges of "finicky" autonomous systems 44:44 - The ethics of automating the kill chain (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • What's your understanding of the constraints on what the Pentagon allows a drone or an autonomous weapon

  • to do without a human deciding kill this person, shoot this person?

  • The more important thing is what it doesn't say, right?

  • It doesn't say you're not allowed to automate the kill chain.

  • So you're allowed to do that.

  • You are not allowed to do that.

  • Right.

  • Chris Bros, welcome to Interesting Times.

  • Thank you.

  • Great to be here.

  • So it seems to me like the future of high-tech warfare has arrived,