Automation at the speed of Swamp (Friends)

沼泽速度自动化(老友记)

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source

2026-05-14

2 小时 26 分钟
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This week I'm talking with Adam Jacob, founder of System Initiative and creator of Swamp, about what happens when AI agents change the entire shape of software development. We discuss how he went from an 18-person team down to five and shipped Swamp 900 times in four weeks, why he brought User Acceptance Testing (UAT) testing back from the 90s, why software architecture (and domain-driven design) suddenly matters more than knowing how to write code, the live demo where I pointed Swamp at my Proxmox box and watched it write its own automation (blew my mind!!), and why he'll never accept a pull request to Swamp, ever.
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  • What's up, friends?

  • Adam here.

  • This is The Change Law Today.

  • I'm bringing a good friend of mine, Adam Jacob, back on the show.

  • A good friend and a fellow AI maximalist.

  • The world has changed, and Adam knows it, and so do I. And we're talking about that change here in this podcast.

  • His super, very cool, awesome project called Swamp.

  • And wow, it is mind-blowing.

  • A massive thank you to our friends and our partners at fly. io.

  • Learn more at fly. io.

  • Okay, let's do this.

  • Friends, this episode is brought to you by our friends at Coder. com.

  • Secure environments where developers and agents work in parallel.

  • And I'm joined by Nikki Pike, field CTO for Coder.

  • Nicky, what is a field CTO?

  • So I get that question a lot and it's, you know, half the people understand it, half the people don't.

  • So a field CTO, I describe it very simply as we're DevRel for the C-suite.

  • So we provide a bridge between the customer voice,

  • between the C-suite and the managers and the leadership teams of our customers back into our product.

  • And then we go through and we help enable our teams to have the same message to make sure that the message is correct