#420 The Lost Years of Steve Jobs

史蒂夫·乔布斯失去的岁月

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2026-06-04

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What I learned from reading Steve Jobs in Exile: The Untold Story of NeXT and the Remaking of an American Visionary by Geoffrey Cain. Made possible by: Ramp: https://ramp.com Axon by Applovin: https://axon.ai/founders Vanta: https://vanta.com/founders
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  • For a long time, people have been asking me:

  • "Can you make a podcast on failure?" There's a brand new book called Steve Jobs in Exile:

  • The Untold Story of NeXT and the Remaking of an American Visionary, and it was written by Geoffrey Cain.

  • And that is what this episode is going to be about.

  • Because the book is exclusively about it, it chronicles that 12-year period of exile between

  • when Steve Jobs gets kicked out of Apple and then he returns to Apple.

  • It is probably the defining point of Steve Jobs' life because you will see one of the most brilliant entrepreneurs,

  • maybe the greatest entrepreneur to ever live, just make mistake after mistake after mistake.

  • And the longer he's in exile, the more the pressure builds because he's burning through his entire fortune.

  • And yet, because we know what happens after he returns to Apple, this is somehow one of the most inspiring stories

  • because of Steve's refusal to quit and then his ability to transform,

  • to build himself into the kind of leader and entrepreneur that deserves to run Apple.

  • And before I jump into this book, I want to read you a paragraph from another

  • book because I want you to keep in mind these few sentences from this other book.

  • This book is called The Return to the Little Kingdom.

  • That book was primarily about the first few years of the history of Apple,

  • but there's an updated version where the author, Michael Moritz, writes this: "Many are familiar with the reemergence

  • of Apple. They may not be as familiar with the fact that it has few, if any, parallels.

  • When did a founder ever return to the company from which he had been rudely rejected to engineer a turnaround

  • as complete and spectacular as Apple's? While turnarounds are difficult in any circumstances, they are doubly difficult