2026-08-25
1 小时 46 分钟First of all, thanks so much for doing this.
Nice to be here.
So let's start at the end, the anticipated end.
When and if...
The United States resolves its role in these two wars against Russia and against Iran.
What does the world look like, do you think?
I think it looks like a substantially more dangerous world, actually, than we've seen for, say, most of the night.
After the wars?
Yeah, after the wars.
Well, it's going to leave the world in, I think, a more precarious condition.
And for sort of larger, more enduring reasons than just these conflicts.
The relationship with Russia is not going to improve for a while, even if the war formally comes to an end.
There's lots of suspiciousness on both sides now, so that's going to be a problem.
China is going to continue to improve.
Prove its military power.
It's going to continue to grow economically.
It's going to continue to challenge the United States and others for influence around the world.
So that's going to be a source of tension.
We have, I think, in the world today, you're seeing other powers,
lesser powers being more active and not always constructively.