#473 — Money, Power, and Moral Failure

第473号 —— 金钱、权力与道德败坏

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-04-30

22 分钟
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Sam Harris speaks with Lloyd Blankfein about finance, politics, and the state of American society. They discuss Blankfein's memoir, Goldman Sachs and its role as a market maker, the 2007-2008 financial crisis, the AI investment bubble, wealth inequality and the rise of trillionaires, the crisis of antisemitism on the left and right, Trump-era corruption and the post-truth political environment, the national debt, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • I'm here with Lloyd Blankfein.

  • Lloyd, thanks for joining me on the podcast.

  • Thanks for having me, Sam.

  • You've written a memoir, Streetwise,

  • which is incredibly fun to read and an education for anyone who doesn't know much about finance.

  • I'm going to ask you some questions about it.

  • I'm especially interested to understand the lessons we should have drawn from the 2007, 2008 financial crisis,

  • which you steered Goldman Sachs through, which was high stress and high stakes,

  • and an achievement for which you were both celebrated and vilified.

  • So you have a very interesting story because you came up from, I mean, you were a Jew living in the projects.

  • This is not a story that's often told about Jews these days, coming from basically nothing.

  • We forgot to socially mobilize.

  • But you went to Harvard and then climbed your way through all the high status rungs on the ladder,

  • and eventually you were running one of the most storied financial institutions