Charles & Chase Koch on How They Quietly Built a $150B Empire

查尔斯和查斯·科赫:他们如何悄然构建起价值1500亿美元的帝国

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

2026-05-13

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(0:00) David Friedberg welcomes Charles & Chase Koch (1:04) Koch Inc. Overview: Scale, Business Lines & History (2:21) Building the Business: Early Days & Charles Koch Joins (1961) (11:31) Failures, Creative Destruction & Learning from Mistakes (19:22) Culture & Principle-Based Management (33:53) Georgia-Pacific Acquisition & Culture Transformation (56:17) Stand Together: Education Reform & Social Change (1:12:37) AI, Economic Challenges & the Future of Capitalism Thanks to our partner Axon.ai for making this possible. Axon.ai — AppLovin's AI advertising platform reaches over a billion daily active users across mobile games. Full-screen video ads with a 35-second median watch time. Advertisers are profitably spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a day and advertiser access is still in closed beta. The window is open at https://axon.ai/allin Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect
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  • What an honor to be here.

  • Thank you for hosting us, Forbes, and welcome.

  • This will be put out as the all-in interview,

  • so I'm really excited to share this conversation with everyone on the world,

  • on the internet, and to get some time with Charles Koch, Chase Koch.

  • Chase and I have known each other.

  • Since 2013, when we overlapped in the agriculture industry, got to know each other.

  • We've been business partners.

  • And Charles and I have gotten to know each other a few times over the years.

  • But I'm really excited for this conversation tonight.

  • So Charles, thank you for being here.

  • Thanks for having us.

  • It's an honor.

  • Every few years, a new ad channel opens before the market catches on.

  • That's Axon. ai right now.

  • The AI ad platform behind one of the biggest runs in tech with access to over a billion daily active users.

  • Full screen video ads in mobile games watched for a median of 35 seconds.

  • Businesses are profitably spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a day on it,

  • and most advertisers do n't even know it exists yet.

  • The window is open at Axon. ai slash all in.