What We Know About the Recent ICE Killings

关于近期ICE人员伤亡的情况,我们知道什么?

Radio Atlantic

2026-07-20

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The fatal shootings of two men in Texas and Maine by immigration officers have put the Department of Homeland Security back under renewed scrutiny. Host Hanna Rosin is joined by Atlantic staff writer Nick Miroff to discuss the recent killings and what role traffic stops played in them.   --- Get more from your favorite Atlantic voices when you subscribe. You’ll enjoy unlimited access to Pulitzer-winning journalism, from clear-eyed analysis and insight on breaking news to fascinating explorations of our world. Atlantic subscribers also get access to exclusive subscriber audio in Apple Podcasts. Subscribe today at theAtlantic.com/listener. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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  • A few months ago, I invited Atlantic staff writer Charlie Worzel onto The David Frum Show.

  • As podcast hosts, we talked about the pressures and temptations of the medium.

  • Outrage often gets rewarded.

  • Nuance does not.

  • Charlie doesn't take that bait.

  • On his show Galaxy Brain, he covers the ways technology is changing how we think and how we live.

  • Not just the obvious stuff, but the subtle ways it shapes what we believe,

  • how we talk to each other, how we see ourselves and our neighbors.

  • If you've ever wondered how smart people end up believing implausible things online,

  • These ICE officers are swooping in out of nowhere,

  • in some cases trying to pin the vehicle of the person that they want to arrest.

  • And, you know, if they do this hundreds of times a day across the country in multiple cities,

  • it stands to reason that in some cases, the people thereafter are going to panic.

  • And if they panic and try to drive away...

  • Does that justify killing them?

  • And the answer is no, of course, but it points to the inherent risks of these kinds of tactics by ICE officers.

  • The recent killings of two men,

  • Lorenzo Salgado Araujo in Texas and Yohan Sebastian Durin Guerrero in Maine by immigration officers,

  • have put the Department of Homeland Security back in the place that Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen was trying to avoid.

  • My goal in six months is that we're not in the lead story every single day.