NATO’s dialogues: America’s (next) threat to go

美国对北约的退群威胁

The Intelligence from The Economist

2026-04-09

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President Donald Trump has long threatened to pull America out of the alliance. We examine why the Iran war has made this time look significantly more serious. Westerners are fleeing their countries in record numbers—with economic consequences for their origins and destinations. And our series profiling the countries contesting the World Cup starts with Spain.   Guests and host: Anton La Guardia, diplomatic editorCallum Williams, senior economics writerJon Fasman, senior culture correspondentRosie Blau, co-host of “The Intelligence”Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence” Topics covered:  NATO, war in Iran, Donald Trump, Mark Rutteexpats, emigration, economicsWorld Cup, Spain Get a world of insights by subscribing to Economist Podcasts+. For more information about how to access Economist Podcasts+, please visit our FAQs page or watch our video explaining how to link your account. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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  • The Economist.

  • Hello and welcome to The Intelligence from The Economist.

  • I'm Rosie Blau.

  • And I'm Jason Palmer.

  • Every weekday we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world.

  • Immigration is frequently in the headlines, but people spend far less time thinking about its reverse, emigration.

  • Now our correspondents have done the number crunching on that with some surprising results.

  • And our culture correspondent is looking ahead to the World Cup

  • and will, in the weeks until then,

  • be profiling ten of the countries in the tournament,

  • from perennial top contenders to those on a first appearance.

  • Today, we're going to Spain.

  • But first, from the Suez Crisis to the Vietnam War to the invasion of Iraq,

  • non-European wars have a way of tugging at the fabric of NATO.

  • Given President Donald Trump's long-standing animus towards the alliance,

  • and perhaps a misunderstanding of what its charter actually stipulates about mutual aid,

  • this time it may be torn apart.

  • Mark Rutte, NATO's chief, attended a closed-door meeting yesterday with Mr. Trump,

  • presumably to smooth ruffled feathers,

  • and then he headed to CNN to chat about it.