The New Space Race

新的太空竞赛

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-02-26

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We’re going back to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years. That is, if Artemis II can get off the ground. I sat down with Jared Isaacman, the billionaire leading NASA, to hear his perspective on everything from extraterrestrial life to the timeline for sending humans to Mars.  This interview was recorded before NASA announced the delay of Artemis II’s launch. 01:59 - Where are we? 04:00 - From entrepreneur to astronaut 09:04 - The “lunar futuristic junkyard” 15:06 - NASA’s budget 22:43 - Beyond NASA: Blue Origin, SpaceX and private industry 27:26 - The orbital economy 37:21 - How do we get to Mars? 43:31 - “Do you think there's life out there?” (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Dowsett, and this is Interesting Times.

  • We're going back to the moon.

  • Well, at least that's the hope.

  • God willing, and without any additional delays, NASA plans to launch its Artemis II rocket sometime this spring,

  • sending astronauts around the moon and back for the first time in 50 years.

  • After that, the hope is to actually land again and establish a base for scientific research.

  • And once we have a lunar base, well,

  • maybe it will help us develop the technology to get to Mars and even beyond.

  • These are the goals of the new NASA administrator,

  • Jared Isaacman, a billionaire entrepreneur and pilot turned SpaceX astronaut.

  • As that description suggests, his goals overlap with figures like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos,

  • who are trying to make private space exploration work.

  • I want it all to work, but I also have my doubts.

  • An enduring human presence beyond Earth requires more than just ambition.

  • It requires big technological breakthroughs.

  • It requires stronger commercial incentives.

  • Maybe mining rare minerals.

  • Maybe building orbital data centers.

  • And it wouldn't hurt to have the evidence of extraterrestrial life that Donald Trump keeps teasing.

  • I sat down with Jared Isaacman at Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland to talk about all of this and more