2026-06-25
1 小时 4 分钟I'm Dan Kurtz-Phelan, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.
How could you get this so wrong?
How could you end up in a position where you're giving away the store
to the Iranians in a memorandum of understanding?
I mean, no one, no one can read that memo and say,
"Oh, this has gone well for Trump."
It's implausible to spin in a favorable way.
The war in Iran may have come to an end,
but both the course and the conclusion of that war have brought into sharper relief
the forces that increasingly define a world of weaponized power and systemic risk.
Unconstrained leaders willing to gamble with military force,
the search for and the use of economic leverage,
technologies destabilizing both decision-making and development models,
old alliances fracturing and new alignments forming.
Ian Bremmer is a leading geopolitical analyst and the president and founder of the Eurasia Group.
His most recent piece for Foreign Affairs is about the long-term consequences of the Iran war,
but he has also written on shifts in global power, on the impact of technology on geopolitics, and much else.
We spoke on Monday, June 22nd, about how to make sense of today's global turmoil.
Ian, great to have you back on the podcast.
There's a lot to talk about, beginning with Iran and the Middle East,