#463 — Privatizing the Apocalypse

#463 — 将末日私有化

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-03-12

21 分钟
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Sam Harris speaks with Rob Reid about biosecurity, pandemic risk, and the alarming fragility of our defenses against biological catastrophe. They discuss the controversial USAID program DEEP VZN, the dangers of gain-of-function research, open science norms that could arm bad actors, the role of AI in accelerating bioweapon development, biosurveillance tools, lone wolf bioterrorists, chaos agents, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • Okay, Rob Reed, thanks for coming back on the podcast.

  • It's good to be back.

  • So we've done, yeah, you probably have a better count of the number

  • of podcasts we've done on this topic than I do.

  • I mean, we did one that was a very deep dive that was, you know,

  • more highly produced or was almost like your audio book framed by our podcast conversation.

  • But we share this concern around biosecurity and pandemic risk and bioterrorism.

  • And you have an update for us on the fate of the deep vision.

  • Project.

  • But before we jump into that, just remind people how you got to this topic.

  • How did you come to be focused on this and how much of your bandwidth has it taken?

  • Well, my full-time job is Inventor Capital.

  • I run a fund that invests in companies that we think will make the world more resilient in some important way.