How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era | Better in Person

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  Hey there, it's Stephen Dubner, and this is a bonus episode called How to Run an Institution in an Anti-Institution Era.

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  It comes from our new TV talk show, Better in Person.

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  The guests are Anne Pasternak, director of the Brooklyn Museum, and Michael Roth, president of Wesleyan University.

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  As always, thanks for listening.

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  I think most people would be surprised to know that I play in a geezer rock band.

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  That is not surprising.

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  Better in Person with Stephen Dubner and Ann Pasternak and Michael Roth.

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  What's it like to run an institution in a time when trust in institutions is at an all-time low?

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  Ann Pasternak and Michael Roth have some thoughts.

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  Ann is director of the Brooklyn Museum.

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  Before that, she ran Creative Time, a provocative public arts group here in New York City.

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  If you've ever seen the annual Tribute in Light memorial dedicated to the lives lost on September 11th,

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  that was Ann Pasternak's idea.

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  And Michael Roth is the president of Wesleyan University.

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  His geezer rock band, by the way, is called the Smokin' Lilies,

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