#2465 - Michael Shellenberger

#2465 - 迈克尔·舍伦贝格

The Joe Rogan Experience

2026-03-11

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Michael Shellenberger is an author, journalist, and founder of Civilization Works. He is the CBR Chair of Politics, Censorship, and Free Speech at the University of Austin. His books include “Apocalypse Never" and “San Fransicko."www.public.newswww.shellenberger.org Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visible. Live in the know. https://www.visible.com/catfished Now This is Taxes. Visit https://turbotax.intuit.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Thanks for having me back my pleasure always so much crazy shit going on in the world in and even before we scheduled this like More crazy stuff has happened the war broke out all kinds of things Yeah,

  • how are you?

  • How are you feeling about the President Trump?

  • That's a open-ended question Do you text with him and talk to him occasionally?

  • Yeah, occasionally he'll send me a text.

  • I get these like truth social posts of You know things that he's saying but this whole Fucking Iran thing man,

  • like did you see this coming?

  • No Definitely.

  • I don't know.

  • I mean who did I mean, when did he even decide?

  • You know their national security strategy they put on November Basically just said we've degraded their capacity.

  • It's a win.

  • There was no sense in which there would be additional action.

  • I think it ushers in a new paradigm.

  • Completely the older post-war era is just over.

  • Mark Carney, the prime minister of Canada, articulated that at the World Economic Forum.

  • probably better than the Trump administration did,

  • saying very clearly that older rules-based order is gone.

  • You saw AOC try to sort of articulate it,

  • but she sort of fell apart at the Munich Security Conference in February.