2026-06-05
1 小时 16 分钟Today, I'm chatting with Alex Imas, who is director of AGI economics at Google DeepMind
and professor of economics at the University of Chicago, and Phil Trammell,
who is head of economics at EPOC and research scholar at Stanford.
In general, in this interview, what I want to understand is what economics
tells us about what we can expect in a world with more and more automation,
more and more advanced AI, what that tells us about what will happen to wages, to labor share.
What the best way to tax and redistribute the wealth that will be generated as a result of AGI will be?
And what kinds of things will be scarce?
Because what is scarce kind of tells you where the value will accrue.
So I want to start there.
What are some plausible candidates of what will be scarce?
Something like the relational sector, which is what I defined as basically services and goods,
where the fact that the human was in the loop was actually part of the value of that product.
So because humans are naturally scarce.
If we have automation where a lot of other things stop being scarce,
we will still have scarcity and things that humans are kind of involved in and in the loop for.
I'm curious to understand whether humans doing services for other humans can never be a big part of the economy.
And here's maybe one intuition pump.
So in a world where AI can physically do anything humans can do.
You know, there's this whole machine economy where they're like building factories