I, robot? AI and consciousness

AI真的有意识吗

The Intelligence from The Economist

2026-08-21

24 分钟
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The rise of generative AI has put new urgency into ancient questions. What is consciousness, and can machines ever have it? We dive into the data that reveal a surge in sexually transmitted infections in Europe. And our obituaries editor considers the life of Mary de Rachewiltz, translator and tireless defender of her father, Ezra Pound.  Watch extended clips from Insider here. Guests and host: Alok Jha, science & technology editorStephen Hurford, newsdesk writerAnn Wroe, obituaries editorRosie Blau, co-host of “The Intelligence”Jason Palmer, co-host of “The Intelligence” Topics covered:  AI, consciousnesssexual health, STIs, STDs, EuropeMary de Rachewiltz, Ezra Pound Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to The Economist.
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  • The Economist.

  • Hello and welcome to The Intelligence from The Economist.

  • I'm Jason Palmer.

  • And I'm Rosie Blau.

  • Today on the show, the surge of sexually transmitted infections in Europe and a tribute to Ezra Pound's translator daughter.

  • First up, though,

  • It's kind of amazing that a computer program from the 1960s still has such influence

  • in what we talk about now, still in the dawn of the generative AI era.

  • Eliza was, in essence, the first chatbot, the brainchild of a computer scientist at MIT in 1966.

  • In today's terms, it was primitive.

  • All list referencing and pattern matching and bouncing users' statements back rephrased as questions.

  • The weird part was how those users often had the conviction

  • they were typing to a machine that was thinking, conscious even.

  • Since then, it's been called the Eliza effect.

  • A reminder that humans are still kind of bad at determining what is conscious and what consciousness is.

  • The idea that machines could have emotions, can talk to us,

  • have their own desires and maybe even take over the world.

  • All of that is a classic of science fiction.

  • But it's always felt really far away until now.

  • Alok Jha is The Economist's science and technology editor and hosts Babbage, our sister show on science.