Is the Iran War Coming to an End? A Conversation With Narges Bajoghli and Vali Nasr

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  I'm Dan Kurtz-Balen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

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  I think this is going to be a real test of whether

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  what we're heading into is a fundamentally different Middle East or not.

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  The reality is that we're at a moment in the Middle East,

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  which is like a Versailles moment for Europe, or a post-World War II moment for Europe,

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  that it begs, if you would, for really fresh thinking about what's possible, and then how do you get there?

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  The Iran War may be coming to an end as Washington and Tehran prepare to sign a framework agreement later this week.

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  That deal should reopen the Strait of Hormuz

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  and end the blockade of Iranian ports, even as it leaves unresolved the issues

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  that brought us to war in the first place, including the fate of Iran's nuclear program.

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  But policymakers in Washington and other capitals are just starting to confront

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  the ways in which the war has transformed Iran and could transform the Middle East.

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  In an essay for Foreign Affairs, Nargis Bajogli and Vali Nasser argued

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  that a new and boldened generation of Iranian leaders are forging an entirely new approach to their own society,

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  to the United States and to their own region.

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  I spoke to Bajogli and Nasser on Monday,

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  June 15th about what a deal could mean and about how the last three and a half months

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  of war have changed the course of the Middle East and even of geopolitics more broadly.

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  Nargis Vali, great to be talking to both of you today of all days

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  and to have your essay on Iran's new grand strategy and our forthcoming issue.

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