The Ezra Klein Show: The A.I. Revolt Is Here

《埃兹拉·克莱因秀》:人工智能叛乱已经到来

Hard Fork

2026-09-11

1 小时 19 分钟
PDF

单集简介 ...

The “Hard Fork” team is away this week. But while we’re away, we’re bringing you a recent episode of “The Ezra Klein Show.” In this episode, Ezra talks with the journalist Jasmine Sun about her recent reporting trip through the Midwest, where she explored how the data center backlash is playing out on the ground. Ezra and Jasmine discuss the strange political coalitions that are coming together to oppose the A.I. infrastructure build out, and why people don’t believe what they’re being told about it.   Guests: Jasmine Sun, journalist and writer at jasmi.news  Additional Reading: No Data Centers In My BackyardA transcript and video of this episode can be found here. We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube and TikTok.   Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
更多

单集文稿 ...

  • AWS AI is how the world's leading organizations are transforming their industries, not in theory,

  • but in production, at scale, right now, like turning race day data into real-time insights for Formula One fans,

  • reinventing the journey for every United traveler, and personalizing every trip with Booking.com.

  • However big the question for your business or industry, AWS AI is how.

  • So we are taking this week off along with our producers to get ready for our finale extravaganza,

  • our last ever episode of Hard Fork, which will be next week.

  • And when you see the choreography, you'll understand why we needed a week to prepare.

  • Exactly.

  • There's pyro, there's choreo.

  • It's going to be a big production.

  • There's Oreos.

  • But until then, we have a very special treat to share with you.

  • You may remember past Hard Fork guest Jasmine Sun.

  • She recently appeared on the Ezra Klein Show to talk about her reporting on data centers.

  • Yeah, she took this really fascinating reporting trip through the Midwest this summer,

  • interviewing people on all sides of the debate throughout Wisconsin and Michigan.

  • She wrote a piece called No Data Centers in My Backyard, Money, Power, and Populism in the AI Buildout on her Substack.

  • Really great, really worth a read.

  • And after you read it, you should listen to this conversation with Ezra.

  • Yeah.