The strange new politics of the death penalty

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  Hey there, it's Shumita.

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  Just a quick warning before we get started, this episode includes descriptions of death row executions.

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  This is In Conversation from Apple News.

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  I'm Shumita Basu, today, where the death penalty goes from here.

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  In just the past month, two unprecedented death penalty stories have dominated national news.

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  First, on September 30th, Christa Pike, a woman convicted of a gruesome murder in Tennessee in 1995,

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  survived two attempts of a lethal injection,

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  sparking investigations into the systems that failed along the way.

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  Then, on October 8th, the Pentagon announced that it would live stream

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  the execution by firing squad of Nidal Hasan,

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  a former army officer convicted of killing 13 soldiers

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  and wounding 32 at the Fort Hood base in 2009.

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  That execution is still scheduled to take place this year,

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  but last week, President Trump issued a statement

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  saying that it would no longer be live streamed to the public.

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  I think the fact that Trump later said, we're not going to live stream this execution,

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  distracted, in a way, from how novel this all still is going to be.

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  That's Maurice Chammah, a staff writer at The Marshall Project.

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  He's been reporting on the death penalty for over a decade.

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  In fact, he's been on this show before to talk about it.

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