‘Making Sense With Sam Harris’ and Ross Douthat

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  Hey, listeners, and happy 2026. I hope you're enjoying your holiday break.

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  And while you are, I wanted to give you a little gift.

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  The author and podcaster and controversialist Sam Harris recently invited me on his show, Making Sense.

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  I was there, I think, officially to talk about religion and politics, but we ended up debating a lot more.

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  Pretty much all of human history.

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  The future, the nature of consciousness, the rationality of faith.

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  The Spanish Inquisition, and even the existence of demons.

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  Sam and I come from pretty different perspectives,

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  but I like to think that we pretty much wrapped up all the big questions of human life in two hours together.

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  So enjoy this episode of Sam Harris' Making Sense podcast,

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  and we'll be back with a new episode of Interesting Times right here next week.

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