What John Berger Saw That We Still Don’t, with Tom Overton

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Intelligence Squared

2026-08-26

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John Berger transformed the way generations thought about art, politics and the act of looking. Best known for Ways of Seeing, his work ranged across migration, capitalism, war and mortality, always asking how culture can help us understand the world around us. In this episode, writer and academic Shahidha Bari speaks with Tom Overton about his new book, John Berger: From Life. Overton first got to know Berger while cataloguing his archive at the British Library, where forgotten photographs, letters and manuscripts would prompt unexpected phone calls from Berger himself: “Can I tell you a story?” Why does Ways of Seeing still feel so radical? How did Berger’s politics shape his writing on art, migration and power? And why does his work continue to speak so directly to the present? Overton reflects on Berger’s collaborators, his political commitments and the enduring generosity of a thinker who believed art could create connection across time. Tom Overton is a writer, editor and researcher. His new book, John Berger: From Life, draws on his personal relationship with Berger and years spent working with his archive. Shahidha Bari is a writer, academic and broadcaster. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Welcome to Intelligence Squared, where great minds meet.

  • I'm senior producer Mia Sorrenti.

  • What does it mean to really look at a work of art?

  • And more than 50 years after Ways of Seeing,

  • what can John Burgess still teach us about the relationship between culture, politics and power?

  • On today's episode, Tom Overton, writer, editor and researcher, joined Shahid Abari to discuss his new book,

  • John Berger, From Life, and the ideas, political commitments and collaborations

  • that shaped one of the most influential cultural thinkers of the 20th century.

  • Let's join our host, Shahid Abari, now with more.

  • Hello, I'm Shahida Bari and I'm talking to Tom Overton today about his new book, John Berger from Life.

  • John Berger was one of the artistic polymaths of the 20th century in our cultural life.

  • He was a painter, a novelist, a poet, a critic, a broadcaster and perhaps above all other things, a storyteller.

  • Many people will remember his 1972 television series Ways of Seeing and how that transformed for generations

  • of people the way that they thought about art, challenging the authority of the museum and the art historian.

  • On the supposedly neutral act of looking.

  • But Burge's interests ranged far beyond paintings too.

  • He wrote about migration and labour, peasants and animals, politics and war.

  • And he wrote about mortality.

  • His book, a prize-winning novel, Gee, is an extraordinary book about a country doctor, a fortunate man.

  • This is just part of a remarkably wide body of work.