DEBATE: IVF, Surrogacy, & Donor Babies | Miracle or Moral Dilemma? Pro IVF vs. Anti IVF Women Clash

In this episode of The Ellen Fisher Podcast, I sit down with Kayde Mason and Katy Faust for a raw debate on IVF, surrogacy, and donor conception—are these modern paths to parenthood crossing ethical lines, or worth celebrating?  Kayde Mason, a surrogate, 5x egg donor, and founder of Surrogate Support, shares her personal experience helping families have children, while Katy Faust, founder of Them Before Us, brings a powerful critique of the fertility industry through the lens of children’s rights. Is IVF and surrogacy a compassionate path to parenthood—or are there deeper ethical questions we’re avoiding? This conversation dives into the emotional, moral, and societal implications of creating life through modern fertility practices, asking whether everything that’s possible should be pursued—and if true common ground can exist in such a deeply divided space. Sponsors: Ra Optics enter the code ELLENFISHER for 10% off your order or use my link Anima Mundi Herbals: Enter the code ELLEN for 15% off your first Anima Mundi Herbals order Cozy Earth: enter the code ELLEN for up to 20% off your order at Cozy Earth Brave Books: Get 20% off the Book Club — and enjoy FREE full access to BRAVE+ with your subscription Thank you to our sponsors for today’s episode! WHERE TO FIND KAYDE MASON instagram linktree WHERE TO FIND KATY FAUST: Website instagram Them Before Us website WHERE TO FIND ME  Get ⁠The Empowered Pregnancy & Birth course⁠ Get my ⁠Recipe ebooks⁠ My ⁠instagram⁠ Elevate your videos with record-label quality music from ⁠Musicbed