Minneapolis Feels ‘Like Being in a Civil War’

明尼阿波利斯宛如身处内战之中。

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-01-16

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Can cellphone cameras and whistles impede President Trump’s immigration policy? On this week’s episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross speaks with Francisco Segovia, the executive director of a Minneapolis-based nonprofit on the front lines of anti-ICE activism, about how his organization is training citizens to become constitutional observers. “It’s your right to video record what your government is doing,” he says. Ross asks if there’s any enforcement he’d accept. 2:56 Current dynamics on the ground in Minneapolis5:03 Communities Organizing Power and Action for Latinos (COPAL)6:53 Francisco Segovia's story14:26 What is a constitutional observer? 22:27 Reflections on Renee Good28:59 Training efforts to try and keep protesters safe34:42 What kind of immigration enforcement is legitimate? Hey, Los Angeles! Come see Ross in conversation with the columnist Jamelle Bouie and the editor of New York Times Opinion, Katie Kingsbury, on Tuesday, Jan. 20. They’ll take stock of the first year of Trump’s second term and debate the administration’s biggest actions so far and what it all means for our country. Get tickets here while they’re still available. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

Hey listeners, before we start, I wanted to let our friends
out west know about an event I'm doing in the City of Angels next week.
On Tuesday, January 20th at 7 p.m., I'll be in conversation with my colleague Jamel Buie and our boss,
the head of New York Times opinion, Katie Kingsbury.
And together, we're going to make sense of the second Trump presidency so far.
Just a small task, I know.
But we'll discuss the past year and debate the most consequential or disastrous actions
and moments so far in this presidency.
The Library Foundation of Los Angeles is kindly hosting us.
You can find more information in our show notes and you can buy tickets for the event online.
Just go to LFLA.org slash calendar and check out the event for January 20th at 7 p.m.
From New York Times Opinion, I'm Ross Douthat and this is Interesting Times.
The death of Renee Good in Minneapolis has put a spotlight on the aggressive tactics of immigration
and customs enforcement agents operating in U.S.
Cities.
And it's also spotlighted the groups organizing to observe and protest immigration enforcement.
I'm really interested in these small-scale efforts,
which have led to people standing on street corners and blowing whistles to alert neighborhoods to ICE's presence,
to following agents carrying cell phone cameras while the agents are conducting operations and making arrests.
It seems like a very effective style of protest in certain ways,

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