PC Harper's killers: Andy Burnham's first major test

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  Welcome to the State Split, the political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times.

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  I'm Stephen Swinford, the political editor of The Times.

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  I'm Patrick McGuire, chief commentator for The Times.

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  I'm Laura Spirit, deputy political editor of The Sunday Times.

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  This week, we are going to talk about the early release scheme

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  where Andy Burnham is effectively taking a stand in the first major test of his will as Prime Minister.

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  He wants to block the release of the killers of PC Andrew Harper.

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  And he's going to do everything he can despite officials telling him you can't do it.

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  He says I'm doing it.

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