Russia’s Widening War on Europe: A Conversation With Julianne Smith

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  I'm Dan Kurtz-Felan, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

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  The biggest fear in Europe right now is that the United States

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  will not take any sort of Article 5 incident seriously and will fail to show up and support allies.

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  And of course, that would provide Putin with the perfect moment,

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  because then he would be able to show the world that NATO's Article

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  5 commitment is really not worth the paper that it's written on.

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  Since the start of the war in Ukraine almost five years ago,

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  Russia has mounted ever more aggressive attacks in Europe, far from the battlefield.

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  These attacks were long talked about as a form of hybrid warfare.

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  But as Julianne Smith, the former U.S.

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  Ambassador to NATO, notes in a new piece in Foreign Affairs,

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  they have reached a level of risk and flagrancy where that label may no longer apply.

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  And these attacks come in the context of escalation in Ukraine and dissension

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  in the transatlantic alliance as the Trump administration calls into question basic commitments to Europe.

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  Smith has long warned of the dangers of Russian escalation and urged NATO to do more in response.

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  We spoke on Tuesday, October 6th, about the options for raising the cost on Russia,

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  as well as about the future of the war in Ukraine and the prospects for the U.S.

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  And Europe in the wake of Trump.

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  Julie, thanks so much for being here.

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  You were one of our very early guests on the podcast when you were U.S.

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