'The Bible is not a policy manual’: Christians reckon with immigration under Trump

《圣经并非政策手册》:基督徒在特朗普时代面对移民问题

Up First

2026-05-03

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Evangelicals in America are divided over immigration enforcement. So who gets to claim the side of God? This week on The Sunday Story, NPR’s Brittany Luse sits down with two people who think a lot about the separation of church and state: NPR’s religion correspondent, Jason DeRose, and the Rev. Dr. Gabriel Salguero, president and founder of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition. DeRose and Salguero unpack the rhetoric of conservative white Evangelicals and discuss what happens when the government uses scripture to justify policy. How does the Christian tenet of “welcoming the stranger” come to bear on current debates about U.S. immigration enforcement and war? This conversation was originally published as an episode of NPR’s It’s Been A Minute podcast: “Christians are having a Trump-sized reckoning.” See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for sponsorship and to manage your podcast sponsorship preferences. NPR Privacy Policy
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  • I'm Aisha Roscoe, and this is a Sunday story from Up First.

  • I often think about my faith and how it affects the way I carry myself as a journalist.

  • And as a journalist who is a Christian, I have obviously been noticing the Trump administration use biblical language

  • and imagery online, on social media to justify foreign and domestic policy decisions.

  • And I'm always.

  • Curious and interested to hear from people who have studied the Bible and studied Christianity and religion

  • who can talk about the biblical context that these ideas are being pulled from and what that says about the faith

  • that this administration is portraying.

  • I guess that 's why I was really, really interested when I heard a recent interview by Brittany Luce,

  • who hosts NPR's It 's Been a Minute podcast.

  • She sat down with two people who think a lot about the separation of church and state and also about what happens

  • when religion is mixed with policy in America.

  • Jason DeRose is NPR's religion correspondent.

  • Part of the rhetoric of conservative white evangelicals is that they are the oppressed minority in the United States.

  • Reverend Dr. Gabriel Salguero is the president and founder of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition.

  • He's also the pastor of The Gathering Place, an Assemblies of God congregation in Orlando, Florida.

  • Look, I think like in any community, evangelicals are not a monolith.

  • And oftentimes when.

  • Headlines say evangelicals say they mostly mean white evangelicals.

  • What I think makes this conversation special is how both guests engage with the idea of welcoming the stranger in Christian