‘There’s no such thing as democracy’: Yanis Varoufakis | Radical Thinking with Aditya Chakrabortty

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  When I was listening to you, I had a terrible feeling.

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  Go on.

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  I miss Thatcher.

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  Who's really in charge?

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  You and me, the voters, or the bond markets?

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  Pretty much every centre-left politician across the West, from Andy Burnham to Zora Mamdani,

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  has a version of this question hanging over them.

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  How long do you think it will be before Andy Burnham is pushed aside for someone else?

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  You know, this is a tragedy of Andy Burnham.

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