Complicated Legacy: Jay Bhattacharya on Fauci, RFK, and Vaccines

复杂遗产:贝塔查里亚对法尤奇、肯尼迪和疫苗的看法

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2026-08-06

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Jay Bhattacharya returns to GoodFellows—now as NIH director and acting CDC director—for a candid conversation on what COVID got wrong, why science needs a replication revolution, and how to restore public trust. Jay takes on the legacy of lockdowns, school closures, Fauci, gain-of-function research, China, AI-enabled biosecurity risks, vaccine questions, and the fight to make scientific dissent possible again. Then: Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, AI guardrails, democratic socialism, and what Homer can still teach us about war. Subscribe to GoodFellows for clarity on today’s biggest social, economic, and geostrategic shifts — only on GoodFellows.
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  • Can you explain to the committee why you chose to fund this dangerous research in China?

  • On the advice of counsel,

  • I respectfully decline to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

  • I'm Neil Ferguson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

  • And no, don't adjust your devices.

  • Bill Whelan's off this week.

  • So I am sitting in his chair as moderator.

  • However, my fellow good fellows are also here.

  • And they are the one and only HR McMaster and John Cochran, who are also senior fellows here at Hoover.

  • Hi, HR and John.

  • Our guest today used to be a visiting fellow at Hoover, but he got an even better job last year.

  • Dr. Jay Bhattacharya is the director of the National Institutes of Health

  • and I think the acting director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

  • Welcome, Jay, or should I say welcome back.

  • Nice to be here, Neil, although it's an open question whether those jobs are better than being a professor at Stanford.

  • We'll see over time.

  • We'll get you to comment in more detail on that later on.

  • I want to take you back in time.

  • To your last appearance, which was November 9th, 2021. Back in those days,

  • you were just a mild-mannered academic like the rest of us.