2026-05-27
1 小时 13 分钟Oh, hey, it's the lady who never unpacks her toiletry kit because you never know when you got a jam.
And welcome back.
You're here for wine part two.
Last week, we chatted with the very charismatic, encyclopedically informed Andre Houston Mack,
who gave you an in-depth and a very spirited discussion of all the different wines,
how to drink them, so-called old world versus new world wines, what gives a wine its taste,
the label drama, the rise of the sometimes hit-or-miss funky, kombucha-tasting, organic or biodynamic wines,
how to order in a restaurant, what to look for.
That was a great start there.
This week, we're so lucky to talk to a pair of indie winemakers and enologists from a family-owned winery in California.
And one was born and raised in Spain.
The other is a member of the Santa Ynez Band of Chumash Indians
and was the first Native American to own and operate a winery in the United States.
And together their winery, it's called Camines to Dreams, meaning the path to our dreams.
They make wines with this low intervention, natural yeast, low sulfites.
We'll talk about what those mean later, as well as what got these two into winemaking,
how grapes are harvested, why some are juiced with the stems, some weird balloon coffin chambers,
wooden tea bags, lab work, tips for making your own wines, how they met,
and the surprising story time on how they became a married duo in life and in work.
But first, thank you so much to patrons at patreon.com slash ologies for supporting