Meet Warren Zanes, the Author and Rocker Behind the Springsteen Movie | Better in Person

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  Hey there, it's Stephen W. And this bonus episode comes from our new TV talk show called Better in Person.

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  Our guest this week is Warren Zanes.

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  Don't worry if you've never heard of him.

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  By the time you're finished, you will feel like you've known Warren your whole life.

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  As always, thanks for listening.

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  That's all I got, Warren.

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  That's all I got.

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  This is Better in Person with Stephen Dubner and Warren Zanes.

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  If you've ever chased a dream, the kind of dream that would rearrange your life,

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  you may have wondered, what if it comes true?

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  But also, what happens if it falls apart?

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  Warren Zanes has lived both sides of that dream.

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  In the 1980s, he joined the Del Fuego, a Boston rock and roll band that was started by his big brother, Dan.

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  They put out a few good records.

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  For Warren especially, things did not end well.

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