How the Iran War Is Shaping a Post-American World

伊朗战争如何塑造后美国时代的世界

The Foreign Affairs Interview

2026-04-16

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The shockwaves of the ongoing war in Iran are being felt far and wide. The continued closure of the Strait of Hormuz has sparked a global energy crisis, one that could be accentuated by a U.S. naval blockade. Countries as disparate as Chile, South Korea, and Zambia have been forced to take extraordinary measures to deal with shortages and surging prices. But the war’s effects are not just material. Washington’s decision to attack Iran is accelerating a process already underway: the receding of both the inspiration and the reality of American power. That, at least, is the view of our two guests in this episode. Matias Spektor is a professor of Politics and International Relations at Fundação Getulio Vargas in São Paulo. Kishore Mahbubani is a distinguished fellow at the Asia Research Institute at the National University of Singapore and a veteran Singaporean diplomat, who served as his country’s ambassador to the United Nations for over a decade. In their essays for Foreign Affairs, both Spektor and Mahbubani have sought to alert readers to changes in geopolitics that may be hard to see from Western capitals. The war on Iran, in their view, is misguided in its motivations and its execution. And its consequences could be hugely damaging for the United States, offering further proof that the world may be slipping out of the United States’ grasp. You can find sources, transcripts, and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Falen, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

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  • Dan is away this week.

  • The shockwaves of the ongoing war in Iran are being felt far and wide.

  • The continued closure of the Strait of Hormuz has sparked a global energy crisis,

  • one that could be accentuated by a U.S. Naval blockade.

  • Countries as disparate as Chile, South Korea and Zambia have been forced to take extraordinary measures

  • to deal with shortages and surging prices.

  • But the war's effects are not just material.

  • Washington's decision to attack Iran is accelerating a process already underway.

  • The receding of both the inspiration and the reality of American power.

  • That, at least, is the view of our two guests in this episode.

  • Matias Spector is a professor of politics and international relations based in Sao Paulo, Brazil.