2026-05-07
1 小时 7 分钟I'm Dan Kurtz-Felan, and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.
Putin may think that he 's a world historic individual,
she definitely thinks of this, but boy is Trump trumping all of them, because he really has gone into that phase.
Fiona Hill has spent her career trying to understand, and in one case advise, leaders with grandiose ambitions,
high risk tolerance, and an unshakable sense of themselves as world historic figures.
She has been a close observer of Vladimir Putin for decades as a scholar and a member of the U.S. Intelligence community.
And in Donald Trump's first term, she was a senior member of the National Security Council before becoming a household name
during Trump's first impeachment for testifying about his relationship with Putin and with Vladimir Zelensky.
Now, Hill is watching as Trump and Putin, as well as Xi Jinping and others,
upend global order and policymakers everywhere try to navigate the most turbulent period in recent memory
while the rest of us try to discern what might come in its wake.
I spoke to Hill on the morning of Tuesday, May 5th, about the wars in Ukraine and Iran,
about the predicament faced by American allies,
and about what Trump's second-term foreign policy will mean for the future of American power.
Fiona, thanks so much for doing this.
It's great to have you back on the Foreign Affairs interview.
Thanks, Dan.
Great to be with you.
We last spoke early in Trump's second term on the podcast.
The little more than a year since that conversation has brought plenty of,