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Welcome to The State of It, this live recording of the political podcast from The Times and The Sunday Times.
I am Stephen Swimford, the political editor of The Times.
I'm Patrick McGuire, chief political commentator for The Times.
And I'm Gabriel Pogrand, editor of Insight, The Sunday Times Investigation.
Here, newly promoted.
Congratulations, Gabriel.
We come to you at yet another extraordinary juncture in British politics.
I kind of think it will never happen again, and then it happens again.
We just had a cabinet where Keir Starmer has essentially sent a message to his cabinet of put up or shut up.
And he has issued a direct challenge at that cabinet that essentially, in his words, there's a process.