#458 — The Bulwark Against MAGA

#458 — 阻击MAGA的堡垒

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-02-12

58 分钟
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Sam Harris speaks with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller about Trump and the future of American politics. They discuss the origins of The Bulwark, the bewildering psychology of Trump's base, the new era of authenticity, memory-holing January 6th, how media broke politics, why Kamala Harris should never run again, the difference between America First and MAGA, potential 2028 Democratic candidates, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • I'm here with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller.

  • Sarah, Tim, thanks for joining me.

  • Great to be here.

  • It's been years I've been waiting for this invite, and I have to share it with Sarah.

  • Well, yeah.

  • It's a little hard for you.

  • Well, you're in good company.

  • I gotta say, first of all, I'm just huge fans of both of you.

  • Tim, you interviewed me on one of your podcasts.

  • I don't know how long ago that was, but I don't think I'd heard you before that interview.

  • I haven't gone back to watch that, but I really didn't realize

  • I was in the company of greatness when you were interviewing me.

  • Oh, God.