Welcome to Overthink.
The podcast where things are not always beyond good and evil.
I'm Ellie Anderson.
And I'm David Peña Guzman.
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Today, we're going to be talking about the heavy topic of evil.
But before we get into the heaviness of it, David, I have a question for you.
As children, we usually encounter evil first through villains in our favorite movies, TV shows, other forms of media.
Do you have any favorite villains or a villainous character that stuck out to you from when you were a kid?
Yes, so obviously there are the villains from Disney movies,
but being a Mexican child, my model of villain that I grew up adoring actually came from telenovelas.
And there is no greater villain in the history of Mexican TV than Soraya Montenegro,
who was this like evil brunette who was always going after the good,
beautiful protagonist, going so far as to try to murder her, murder her family.
And even though it was a telenovela for adults,
it actually played on a lot of the tropes of the villain from Disney movies.
She went so far as to use black magic and was revealed at the end of the telenovela to be the daughter of a witch.
And so, yeah, I grew up.
Kind of loving her more than the protagonist, like many other people in Latin America did who watched that telenovela.