Caught in the Middle of the Iran War: A Conversation With Anwar Gargash

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The Foreign Affairs Interview

2026-09-24

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By all accounts, Iran’s neighbors, even those long at odds with the Islamic Republic, opposed the U.S.-Israeli war that began on February 28. Yet it is those Middle Eastern states that have paid some of the highest costs in the months since. As their governments grapple with the consequences of a war that is still far from settled, they are also struggling to shape a new Middle Eastern order. But there is little consensus about what that order should be—or what it should mean for relationships with the United States and China, for future economic models, or for the Israeli-Palestinian issue. Anwar Gargash is one of the region’s most experienced diplomats and foreign policymakers. He long served as the minister of state for foreign affairs in the United Arab Emirates, and is now diplomatic adviser to the UAE’s president. Dan Kurtz-Phelan spoke with Gargash on Monday, September 21, about the war in Iran and where it may end; the UAE’s rift with Saudi Arabia and approach to Israel, Gaza, Sudan, and more; and what a new, better Middle Eastern order might look like. You can find sources, transcripts, and more episodes of The Foreign Affairs Interview at https://www.foreignaffairs.com/podcasts/foreign-affairs-interview.
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  • I'm Dan Kurtz-Phelan and this is the Foreign Affairs Interview.

  • We do need peace, but I think also we need peace that will last.

  • We don't need, you know, sort of a patch-up job

  • where suddenly within 3 months, 4 months, 5 months we have another outbreak.

  • I think we need something with more permanency.

  • And for that to happen, you really have to have substantive discussions,

  • and you have to have them at different levels.

  • From what we know, Iran's neighbors,

  • even those long at odds with the Islamic Republic,

  • were opposed to the war that started last February.

  • Yet it is those Middle Eastern states that have paid some of the highest costs.

  • As their governments grapple with the consequences of a war that is still far from settled,

  • they are also struggling to understand and to shape a new Middle Eastern order.

  • But there is little consensus about what that order should be

  • or what it should mean for relationships with the United States and China,

  • for future economic models, or for the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

  • Anwar Gargash is one of the region's most experienced diplomats and foreign policy makers.

  • He long served as the Minister of State for Foreign Affairs in the United Arab Emirates

  • and is now diplomatic advisor to the UAE's president.

  • Gargash joined me on Monday, September 21st