Rahm Emanuel is behaving like a man who is running for president.
He has been a player at the top of Democratic politics for four decades.
His centrist views are quite different from those on the progressive left.
He is, as you will hear, a man who is both combative and refuses to be put in a box.
Whether he ends up on the ticket or not,
he's going to be a loud voice in the Democratic Party ahead of the 2028 election.
And so is a man to watch.
Nobody's going to watch this interview and say, "You know what?
There goes weak and woke."
Rahm Emanuel, thank you for joining The Economist.
Thank you.
So I wanted to start really big picture with something that you wrote a few months ago,
and it really struck me.
You said 2028 was going to be the first election in decades
that would be about the future.
You pointed out that in their different ways,
both Donald Trump and Joe Biden had looked backwards.
They were evoking the nostalgia of bygone eras.
You may be the only person that read that.
I may be, but I read it carefully and it struck me