#870: Sebastian Mallaby, Biographer of Demis Hassabis — Lessons from 100+ AI Insiders on The Race to Superintelligence, The Religion of AI, and Spotting Breakthroughs Early

第870期:塞巴斯蒂安·马拉比,戴米斯·哈萨比斯的传记作家——来自100多位AI内部人士关于超级智能竞赛、AI的宗教以及早期发现突破的启示

The Tim Ferriss Show

2026-06-17

1 小时 46 分钟
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Sebastian Mallaby (@scmallaby) is the Paul A. Volcker senior fellow for international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations, a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist, and the author of six books, including More Money Than God, The Power Law, The Man Who Knew, and The World's Banker. His latest book is The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind, and the Quest for Superintelligence. This episode is brought to you by: Eight Sleep Pod Cover 5 sleeping solution for dynamic cooling and heating: EightSleep.com/TimAG1 Pro all-in-one nutritional supplement: DrinkAG1.com/TimWealthfront high-yield cash account: Wealthfront.com/Tim Wealthfront disclaimer: New clients get 3.30% base APY from program banks + additional 0.75% boost for 3 months on your uninvested cash (max $150k balance). Terms and conditions apply. The Cash Account offered by Wealthfront Brokerage LLC (“WFB”) member FINRA/SIPC, not a bank. The base APY as of 1/30/26 is representative, can change, and requires no minimum. Tim Ferriss, a non-client, receives compensation from WFB for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of WFB, which creates a conflict of interest. Individual experiences and outcomes will differ. Instant withdrawals may be limited by your receiving firm and other factors. Investment advisory services provided by Wealthfront Advisers LLC, an SEC-registered investment adviser. Securities investments: not bank deposits, not bank-guaranteed or FDIC-insured, and may lose value. * For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast. For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsors Sign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday. For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts. Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books. Follow Tim: Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss  Instagram: instagram.com/timferriss YouTube: youtube.com/timferriss Facebook: facebook.com/timferriss  LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferriss See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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  • Oh boy.

  • Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs.

  • This is Tim Ferriss.

  • Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show,

  • where it is my job to rerecord my intro seven million times every time I do an episode.

  • Just kidding.

  • It's my job to interview world-class performers and the people who study world-class performers.

  • My guest today is one of my favorite nonfiction authors, Sebastian Malabi.

  • He is the Paul A. Volker Senior Fellow for International Economics at the Council on Foreign Relations,

  • a two-time Pulitzer Prize finalist and the author of six books, including More Money Than God,

  • Love It, The Power Law, Love It, The Man Who Knew, and the World's Banker.

  • I've not read the latter two.

  • Previously, a columnist at the Washington Post and the Economist, Sebastian now co-hosts the CFR podcast.

  • CFR is Council on Foreign Relations podcast.

  • The Spillover,

  • which examines the ripple effects of global events across policy, geopolitics, economics, finance, and technology.

  • His latest book is The Infinity Machine, Demis Hassabis, Deep Mind and the Quest for Superintelligence.

  • And in this conversation, we get into a lot.

  • We get into his op-eds.

  • Different predictions I would hesitate to call them observations of the AI ecosystem,