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Choiceology, an original podcast from Charles Schwab, is a show about the psychology and economics behind our decisions.
Join host Katie Milkman, an award-winning behavioral scientist and author of the best-selling book How to Change,
as she shares true stories from Nobel laureates, authors, athletes,
and everyday people about why we make the choices we do and how to make better ones to help avoid costly mistakes.
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There you are, Laura.
You look like you're in an electrical lighting showroom.
You've rumbled me.
I'm here choosing lights for a disco that I'm going to invite every newscaster in the country to.
Where are you?
I'm in a studio in Liverpool, which actually is very beautifully and dramatically lit.
And I'm here because it's the Labour conference this weekend and we are interviewing the prime minister tomorrow.
Yes.
And there are sort of shots fired, aren't there?
There's a sort of rumble in the jungle between ministers who are meant to have collective responsibility.
Yes, there is.