Archive: Can the Arts Drive Social Change? With Idris Elba, Kwame Kwei-Armah and Yassmin Abdel-Magied

艺术能否推动社会变革?伊德里斯·艾尔巴、夸梅·克韦-阿马和亚斯敏·阿卜德尔-马吉德参与

Intelligence Squared

2026-10-19

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In the summer of 2020, as Black Lives Matter protests swept the world, the arts and creative industries faced urgent questions about racism, representation and their role in driving meaningful change. In this episode from the Intelligence Squared archive, actor Idris Elba and playwright Kwame Kwei-Armah join writer and broadcaster Yassmin Abdel-Magied to examine systemic racism in the cultural sector, the limits of diversity initiatives and what it really takes to turn promises of equality into lasting change. Six years on, as debates about race, power and representation continue, we revisit a conversation that remains as relevant today as it was in 2020. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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  • Hello and welcome to Intelligence Squared.

  • I'm Head of Programming, Conor Boyle.

  • Today we're revisiting a conversation from 2020 recorded in the wake of global Black Lives Matter protests

  • and the murder of George Floyd.

  • Actor Idris Elba and playwright Kwame Kwai Arma joined broadcaster Yasmeen Abdel-Majid to discuss the arts,

  • racism, representation and the responsibility of all of us to drive meaningful change.

  • Six years on, the questions they raised about power, equality, and accountability remain relevant as ever.

  • Let's go to the episode now.

  • Thank you again, Intelligence Squared, for inviting me to chair this session.

  • So, in the midst of this current moment that we're living in, at the intersection

  • of what one of our guests has called the triple threat of COVID-19, white supremacy,

  • and economic fragility, where does art and culture fit in?

  • Why is it important for the arts to engage with and then fundamentally transform,

  • particularly in the response to the Black Lives Matter movement?

  • The art a society creates tells a story of who we think we are and who we want to be.

  • So to explore this today, we have two incredible trailblazers from the arts joining us.

  • Firstly, we have Idris Elba.

  • He's an A-list Hollywood star, an actor, writer and producer,

  • perhaps best known for his starring roles in The Wire and Luther,

  • and for playing Nelson Mandela in the film Mandela, Long Walk to Freedom.