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I'm Natasha Surin.
I'm a professor at Yale Law School and a co-founder of the Yale Budget Lab.
I'm Dan Wong.
I'm a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.
And Dan and I are friends and also colleagues, and we've been spending a lot of time thinking about...
The United States and our economy over the course of the last many years,
and particularly of recent of this narrative about the idea that the United States is in some substantial decline,
much like the decline of the Roman Empire many moons ago.
And last month, we had President Trump organizing a big UFC fight on the lawn of the White House,
bringing to mind gladiatorial combat in the stadium, right?
Absolutely so.
But I think I'm right in saying
that our answer to whether we're witnessing a Roman Empire type of decline is unequivocally no.