Ross Douthat and Ezra Klein on the Art of Persuasion

罗斯·道萨特与埃兹拉·克莱因论说服之道

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

2026-08-27

1 小时 13 分钟
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“Interesting Times” is on a brief hiatus. Before we return next month, we’re bringing you an interview from “The Ezra Klein Show” with Ross Douthat about his 17 years as a conservative columnist at The New York Times. But Ross and Ezra go back even further, to the nascent days of political blogging. They talk about the seismic changes they’ve witnessed in the media industry over the years and the art of changing minds. (A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website here.) Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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  • I've known Ross Douthit a long time.

  • We were bloggers back when the earth was young.

  • Ross, how you doing?

  • Good, I'm fine, Ezra.

  • How are you?

  • And then I watched him become a columnist here at the New York Times Opinion in 2009,

  • the youngest ever New York Times Opinion columnist.

  • About a year ago, he launched Interesting Times, which has been a great fellow podcast here in the section.

  • What is the Antichrist?

  • How much time do we have?

  • We've got as long, as much time as you have to talk about the Antichrist.

  • And then breaking all of our hearts, he announced he's going to 60 Minutes, where he's going to be a correspondent.

  • So I want to talk to Ross on his way out here about how he has seen media change,

  • how he has seen politics change, and how maybe he believes it is changing again.

  • Ross Douthat joins me now.

  • Ross Douthat, welcome back to the show.

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