Michael Pollan on the mystery of consciousness

意识的终极谜题

Babbage from The Economist

2026-05-06

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What is consciousness? It's a question scientists have been struggling to answer for decades. Author Michael Pollan has been searching for scientific evidence that could unlock the mystery. His journey extends from humans to animals and even plants. But could consciousness ever exist in machines? Guests and hosts: Michael Pollan, author of “A World Appears”Host: Alok Jha, The Economist's science and technology editor  Topics covered: ConsciousnessSentienceNeural correlates of consciousness Transcripts of our podcasts are available via economist.com/podcasts. Listen to what matters most, from global politics and business to science and technology—subscribe to Economist Podcasts+.
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  • The Economist.

  • How do you feel right now?

  • What can you see in front of you?

  • What are you thinking about?

  • Your experience of the world, both inside and out, is a product of your consciousness.

  • Without it, you'd experience nothing.

  • But what is that consciousness?

  • How does your brain and body create it?

  • How can physical biological cells come together to make something so immersive and experiential?

  • People have been asking those questions for a long, long time.

  • There are 22 formal theories of consciousness.

  • Another count has 220.

  • So we haven't made that much progress actually.

  • We've gotten closer, there's some very interesting theories around, but they all kind of hit this wall.

  • Michael Pollan is a journalist and author.

  • For the past six years, he's been grappling with the scientific search for answers on what consciousness means.

  • His previous books have urged readers to break free from the industrial mass-manufactured food system,

  • and eat more simply.

  • You might know his mantra: Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

  • He's also investigated the therapeutic potential of psychedelic drugs,