#456 — American Fascism

美式法西斯主义

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-02-05

21 分钟
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Sam Harris speaks with Jonathan Rauch about the emergence of fascism in American politics. They discuss Rauch's article, "Yes, It's Fascism," the 18 criteria of fascism, the glorification and unapologetic use of state violence, "might is right" foreign policy, the politicization of law enforcement, the complicity of the rich and powerful, blood and soil nationalism, the influence of Carl Schmitt, the resilience of American institutions, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • I am here with Jonathan Rausch.

  • Thanks for joining me again.

  • Happy to be here.

  • So let's jump right into it.

  • You have recently written yet another...

  • Important article for the Atlantic where you can often be found.

  • The title of this one is Yes, It's Fascism.

  • So that got my attention.

  • I'm sure it got other people's attention.

  • Like you, I've resisted using this term because there were obvious historical associations

  • that didn't quite and don't quite map on to our current circumstance under Trump 2.0.

  • But the resistance has seemed more and more pedantic as the months of...

  • Rolled by and the overreach