#460 — When the Center Cannot Hold

#460 — 当中心无法维持

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-02-21

21 分钟
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Sam Harris speaks with Jonah Goldberg about the state of American conservatism and the Trump presidency. They discuss the politicization of federal institutions, the erosion of legal norms, the schism between Never Trump conservatives and the nationalist right, infighting over figures like Nick Fuentes, J.D. Vance's political future, a theory of mind for Tucker Carlson, the prospects for regime change in Iran, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • I am here with Jonah Goldberg.

  • Jonah, thanks for joining me again.

  • Hey, it's great to be back.

  • It's great to see you.

  • So I think it's been about six months since you were on the podcast and a few things have happened.

  • I think I looked at it, it was somewhere around August of last year.

  • I may have a list of things that I think we could profitably discuss, but what's most concerning you these days?

  • Where's your head been on our political landscape?

  • If we're talking politically, right?

  • I mean, there's all sorts of, you know.

  • The AI thing is interesting in all sorts of ways.

  • We could talk about that all.

  • But if you're just talking about like,