Teun Toebes and Jonathan de Jong on the right to live fully

特恩·托布斯与乔纳森·德容论全面生活的权利

Meet the Writers

2026-09-21

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Georgina Godwin speaks to Teun Toebes and Jonathan de Jong about ‘Human Forever’, exploring dementia care, challenging stigma and rethinking ageing through human connection, dignity, autonomy and quality of life. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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  • Hello and welcome to Meet the Writers.

  • I'm Georgina Godwin.

  • My guest today met through dementia care.

  • One was a nursing student who, at 21, moved into the locked ward of a care home.

  • The other had studied law before becoming a documentary filmmaker, drawn to stories

  • that could change the way society sees people pushed to its margins.

  • Their first book together, The Housemates, became an international bestseller.

  • They then travelled through 11 countries across four continents, searching for a better way to live with dementia.

  • The resulting documentary became the most-watched human interest

  • film in Dutch cinema history and opened the G20 Health Summit.

  • Their journey has now become a new book, Human Forever.

  • Chun Tubes and Jonathan de Jong, welcome to Meet the Writers.

  • Thank you so much.

  • Chun, your mother was a psychiatric nurse and caring was part of family life.

  • What did you understand about her work as a child?

  • What I understood from her work is that it is really about making a human connection towards people.

  • In our care system, we very often label and so stigmatise people living with the diagnosis.

  • And especially in psychiatrists and also when it is about dementia, many people face a stigma.

  • And by making a human connection, you can break this stigma, which is so badly needed.

  • And that's what I learned from her.