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I'm here with Michael Pollan.
Michael, it's great to see you again.
Yeah, great to be back, Sam.
We're seeing you for the first time.
We were just talking about the fact that the last podcast, I think, was just audio, right?
It was a phone call, effectively.
Yeah, I actually remember the day really well.
It was 2018, and I was in a hotel room in Portland, Oregon.
Has that much time passed?
Jesus, that's really depressing.
How to change your mind had just come out.
And we were talking about psychedelics.
This must be a function of age, but when asked to estimate how much time has elapsed,
I'm always off by a factor of at least two, if not three.