#472 — Strange Days on the Right

右边的奇异日子

Making Sense with Sam Harris

2026-04-25

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Sam Harris speaks with Ben Shapiro about their pre-election debate and the fractures on the right. They discuss Trump's second term surprises, familial corruption, tariff policy, the ideological world of Tucker Carlson, the spread of conspiracism on the right, antisemitism as the ur-conspiracy theory, JD Vance's political calculations, the future of Israel and the Palestinian question, and other topics. If the Making Sense podcast logo in your player is BLACK, you can SUBSCRIBE to gain access to all full-length episodes at samharris.org/subscribe.
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  • I am here with Ben Shapiro.

  • Ben, thanks for joining me on the podcast.

  • Good to see you.

  • How you doing?

  • I'm good.

  • How are you doing?

  • It's getting crazy out there.

  • I've noticed from afar that your life has gotten more interesting in the last 12 months or so.

  • Yeah, you know, the old Chinese curse, maybe you live in interesting times, is definitely applying itself.

  • So that's been fun.

  • You appear to be Chinese at the moment.

  • Well, I want to talk about the cleavages in the Republican Party and in the MAGA cult as I think of it.

  • But before we get there, it is extreme in a way that I think none of us would have anticipated.

  • I think many of the Republicans seem to be divided between those who are Nazi sympathizers