2026-04-01
2 小时 45 分钟So it does seem like in addition to everything, first of all, Dave, thank you.
As always, we're late because we just had such a long breakfast, two and a half hour breakfast.
I hope this conversation could be as interesting as our breakfast just was.
But in addition to everything else changing,
you made such a smart point a minute ago about the means of convincing the public.
The propaganda machine is completely broken.
And so what does that mean?
You're in the middle of a war, you're in the middle of a massive power shift globally.
Everything is changing, the economy, military strength, everything.
And it's impossible to know who is telling the truth.
Who comes out more credible in this in the media?
Who are the people you listen to?
What's that look like?
Well, I think everybody who's being authentic, I think is who's coming out ahead of this.
It seems like if you look at like the podcast numbers, you know what I mean?
Like it's the people who are being critical of the regime's policies.
It's the people, you know, from my perspective, the people who are telling the truth.
And so in the media world, I think there's been.
This, you know, as you know, because you were in the old media world for so long.
Only 35 years.